1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,080 'The following programme contains strong language.' 2 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,040 'Just remember.' 3 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,120 One step at a time... 4 00:00:53,160 --> 00:00:55,440 like we said. 5 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,200 They arrest us, they read us our rights. 6 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:00,800 We know what we're gonna say. 7 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,440 We've gone through it a thousand times, and we're ready. 8 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,080 Just don't say a word without a solicitor. Right? 9 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,640 And remember...you're in charge. 10 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,720 'Then come the police interviews.' 11 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,600 'They'll try to confuse you, but don't let them.' 12 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:29,320 'Just tell our story simply and calmly. 13 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:33,920 No need to make anything up. 14 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,400 Just tell them the truth.' 15 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,920 'Ah, hello there, Mrs Edwards.' 16 00:01:46,960 --> 00:01:50,320 'Oh, hello. It's Susan Edwards. You're being offered as my, um...?' 17 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,320 'Yes. My name is Douglas Hylton. I'm coming in to help you tonight.' 18 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,200 'Oh, good, because you've heard, I think, that my husband and I 19 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,800 got ourselves into a bit of a pickle. 20 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,600 I know it sounds all rather morbid.' 'Susan. Susan, sorry, can I -' 21 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,240 'So, for his sake, everyone should know the truth from the outset.' 22 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,760 'Susan, this isn't a private call. I'm not your representative yet. 23 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:11,440 That's what I'm coming to do now, 24 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:13,560 to take your instruction, and then I can... 25 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,280 Does that make sense?' 'I see. Yes, sorry, silly old me.' 26 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:22,320 Just tell our story simply... and calmly. 27 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,560 No need to make anything up. 28 00:02:26,640 --> 00:02:29,120 Just tell them the truth. 29 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:35,360 Oh. 30 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:37,880 Thank you. 31 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,600 Morning, Susan. Oh, you came back, then. 32 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:03,680 How was your night? Oh, you know. 33 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:08,160 Yeah. First night's the worst. Ah...the waiting. 34 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,080 Yeah. And also just not being with Chris. 35 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,600 Even though he's just down the corridor. Very peculiar. 36 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,080 Yeah. Still, not for long, though. 37 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:17,400 Huh? Sorry. 38 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,400 Ah! Thank you. 39 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:23,960 Erm, Douglas, I was wondering... 40 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,120 You know your advice... 41 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,760 about not telling the police anything. 42 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:30,800 Is that because you don't believe us? 43 00:04:30,840 --> 00:04:35,000 Um, no. It's just to keep it simple, so that we don't get tripped up. 44 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:40,040 To be honest, it's not my job to have an opinion, really. 45 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,560 My job is to help you. 46 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,600 So, when the police start asking questions, I just ignore them? 47 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,400 You simply let them know you prefer not to answer. 48 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:50,800 Most people like to go with, "No comment." 49 00:04:50,840 --> 00:04:54,760 "No comment" to everything. At least until we know...more. 50 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,360 You've gotta remember, they've only got until tonight 51 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,000 to convince the CPS that they have enough evidence 52 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,920 to win a trial or get an extension. 53 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,920 If you and Chris don't give them anything, you might go free. 54 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,480 I can't promise, but it does happen. 55 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,040 OK. So, "No comment." 56 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,760 And how do we let Chris know that that's the new plan? 57 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,920 I... Erm, we...we don't. 58 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:26,640 The police aren't mega-keen on suspects sharing tactics. 59 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,920 It's just Chris never said anything about "no comment". 60 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,200 We agreed that we would just tell our story. 61 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:36,200 We would never have handed ourselves in if we thought we had something to hide. 62 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,280 OK, erm... 63 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,040 Tell you what... 64 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,360 How about we... 65 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,400 ..write a brief statement. 66 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:54,160 Just the basics. 67 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,880 Your story in your words, very short, which I'll read out. 68 00:05:57,920 --> 00:05:59,560 And after that - "No comment." 69 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,520 Ah, got it. Erm... OK. 70 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,440 So, go for it, as simply as you can. 71 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:08,760 OK, erm... 72 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:10,720 The day before my parents' deaths, 73 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:12,640 I took a National Express coach 74 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,000 from Victoria Coach Station to Mansfield. 75 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,080 It was route number four-five-O - it was then - 76 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,160 Er, Susan, sorry. Could you slow down a bit? 77 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,320 Oh, sorry, sorry. We don't need the routes and so on. 78 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,320 Just the important stuff. Oh, OK. 79 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,640 'Ey up. How you feeling? Fucking wired, mate. 80 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:52,400 Yeah? Nervous? 81 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:56,080 Nah, I'm not nervous. I'm wired. There's a difference. 82 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,760 It's like there's a little bit of shit in my pants, but I'm also really excited. 83 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:01,680 Ah, all power to you, mate. 84 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,000 It's just 15 years, long time to get their story straight. 85 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:57,440 'Just tell our story... simply and calmly. 86 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:00,840 No need to make anything up. 87 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,280 Just tell them the truth.' 88 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,880 '"On the weekend of my parents' deaths, in May 1998, 89 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,560 while my husband Christopher was at our home in London, 90 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,680 I took the National Express coach number 450 91 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:16,960 from London to Mansfield and visited my parents -"' 92 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:21,520 That was the route number then. It might be different now, the way these things go. 93 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,240 Erm, "I... I took the National Express coach number 450 94 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:29,160 from London to Mansfield and visited my parents at their home. 95 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,240 All I'm prepared to say is that, firstly, 96 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,720 I am not responsible for the death of my father William Wycherley. 97 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,840 I believe my mother Patricia Wycherley shot him. 98 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:42,120 I will say that I did, in fact, shoot and fatally injure my mother, 99 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,360 but only after severe provocation. 100 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,920 I was in a very fragile state of mind at the time. 101 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,440 I would like to make it absolutely clear that my husband 102 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,480 Christopher Edwards had nothing to do with the deaths of my parents. 103 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,080 He was only made aware of their deaths by me 104 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,320 one week after the incident." 105 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,000 Signed and dated. 106 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:03,160 As I've said, it's my handwriting but it's my client's words. 107 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,920 Thank you, Mr Hylton. Susan, ARE these your words? 108 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,320 Does that reading accurately reflect the content of your statement? 109 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,200 No comment. 110 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,800 OK, Susan. If I go to the end of the statement. 111 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:16,840 This your signature? No comment. 112 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,800 It's OK, Susan, you can answer. Oh, sorry. Yes, that's my signature. 113 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:23,440 That's all right, Susan. Your statement's very helpful. 114 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,880 So, tell me, when you say you went to visit your parents, 115 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,440 what was their address in Mansfield? 5 Braxton Close. 116 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:34,000 And at that time, you were 39, just about to turn 40? 117 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:35,800 Yes. "No comment." 118 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,920 Erm, again I must stress to you, that although it's completely... 119 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:40,880 your decision, my advice remains 120 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,000 that you answer all questions, "No comment." 121 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,280 No comment. I can see you're confused, Susan. 122 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,160 Your solicitor and I are coming from different angles. 123 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,960 But I'm just trying to establish some extremely basic facts. 124 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,280 So, if you want to, you can answer. 125 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:55,760 Right? 126 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,600 You say Christopher Edwards is your husband. When did you marry? 127 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:00,840 No comment. 128 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:02,800 Can I ask why you're smiling? 129 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:04,920 Well...no comment. 130 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:10,840 Whoa. 131 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,560 We've uncovered some slightly dodgy financial activity, 132 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,360 which Sandra's looking into, 133 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:19,040 and apparently they were friends with Gerard Depardieu... 134 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,800 whatever the fuck that has to do with anything. 135 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,240 Oh, hello again. You done? 136 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:31,040 Yes. Thank you. I-I'm sorry. Breakfast isn't really my thing. 137 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,320 But my...my compliments to the chef, though, 138 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,280 or whoever it is that prepares the microwave packages. 139 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,960 Cos scrambled eggs, they're not easy to do in bulk, are they? 140 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,120 They often go hard, don't they? You still going with that? 141 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,680 Oh! Er, no, all done. Thank you. 142 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,520 It was great. It wasn't what I expected. 143 00:12:00,560 --> 00:12:02,160 Oh, really? No. 144 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,160 Apres vous. Merci. 145 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:13,480 Me, too! 146 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,320 How is it so late? I've missed the last train! 147 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,000 Well, get a bus. Or I'll help you with a taxi - It's already so late! 148 00:12:58,040 --> 00:12:59,880 What's the panic? It's not the end of the world. 149 00:12:59,920 --> 00:13:02,920 I know it's silly! But we have...we have this routine. 150 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:06,320 We usually have a cup of hot chocolate together at bedtime and talk about the day. 151 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,360 We've done it since I was little. It's story time. 152 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,680 Only, I didn't tell him or Mum that I was gonna be late. 153 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,000 So they'll be waiting up, wanting to go to bed. 154 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,920 Just phone them. If they're sleeping, I'll wake them up. 155 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,040 OK. How about this? If you want... 156 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,120 If it's easier for your parents, I mean, 157 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,680 you can stay at mine tonight. I mean, I'm not... 158 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,240 No, er...no funny business. 159 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,360 But... I've got me mum staying. She's on the sofa. 160 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:31,440 A bit of a long story but er... 161 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:35,080 But, anyway, I'll sleep on the floor. You can have my room. 162 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,520 Oh, I couldn't make you do that. No, honestly. I'd be happy to. 163 00:13:38,560 --> 00:13:41,280 And in the morning, I can help you get home. 164 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,240 Oh, Chris. 165 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,760 'Just to confirm one more time, 166 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:09,120 Chris, you are content for this interview to continue without a solicitor?' 167 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,160 'I am content.' 168 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,040 I don't need someone who knows nothing about me 169 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,280 telling me when, and when not, to speak. 170 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,280 Right, you understand you can change your mind on that at any time? 171 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,440 So, I've been told. 172 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,280 In fact, people won't stop telling me. 173 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,480 Right. Thank you. 174 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,280 I can't say I didn't know. 175 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:31,880 Right, Mr Edwards. 176 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,920 Before we begin with specific questions, 177 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,760 is there anything you would like to tell us from the outset, 178 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,000 anything about why you think you're here? 179 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,360 Yes, I would. Thank you. Ah... 180 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,920 The following is an account of the events as I recall them. 181 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,840 On a bank holiday weekend in May, 1998, 182 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:54,040 my wife Susan Edwards took a coach from London to visit her parents, 183 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,520 William and Patricia Wycherley, in Mansfield. 184 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:00,320 I myself remained at home in London. 185 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,360 Now, I went with my wife to Mansfield... 186 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,120 the following weekend 187 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,560 and only then learned of the tragic events 188 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,560 that had transpired the previous weekend, 189 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,320 ie, the death of her parents. 190 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,200 I wanted to ring the police, of course, 191 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,440 but my wife can be very fragile 192 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,000 and she convinced me that nobody would understand 193 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,960 the complexity of what had happened 194 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,000 and why she was not at fault. 195 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,480 That's when we er... 196 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,080 when we did what families traditionally used to do - 197 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,720 still do in many parts of the world, in fact - which is to inter them, 198 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:40,400 uh, respectfully, in their own home dwelling. 199 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:43,120 Or domicile, if you will. 200 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:47,360 'I mean the thing that's really tortured me all these years 201 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,600 is had I been with her on that previous, fateful weekend, 202 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,400 none of this would have happened, you can be sure of that, 203 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:57,440 and we wouldn't be sitting here right now, you gentlemen and I, no.' 204 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,560 'Right, one last question. 205 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:02,680 Do you happen to recall the coach company 206 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:04,680 you and Susan took up to Mansfield?' 207 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:06,400 'National Express. 208 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,720 Route four-five-O, as it was then. 209 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,480 It might have changed now, the way these things go.' 210 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,160 'All right, well, I think we've covered the crux of it, 211 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:18,560 so erm...we'll take a break there and pick things up later, 212 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,520 if you don't mind, Mr Edwards.' 'Happy to oblige.' 213 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,880 "Happy to oblige" with the same bollocks wifey's peddling! 214 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,000 Only difference is she's got a solicitor. 215 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,320 Yeah, but they've given us a confession, haven't they? 216 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,120 Of sorts. Er, "Dear Christophaire, 217 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:36,200 it was a big mistake to tell your stepmuzzaire about ze-" Shut it, Gerard! 218 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,520 What do you reckon they'd get if we take it, sir? 219 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,640 Not enough. Financial stuff aside, whatever fraud they've committed - 220 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:44,800 Oh, yeah, worth doing again, 221 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,600 it went so well the first fucking time 222 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,840 That's Susan up on loss of control manslaughter for shooting her mum. 223 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:54,000 Assuming that "severe provocation" business holds up. 224 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,040 So, what - five years? 225 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:59,040 Eight at most. And Chris is only gettin' a year or two if that. 226 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,600 For what? Interfering with the duties of a coroner or some vanilla crap. 227 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,600 Which is not bad if they've actually committed double murder. 228 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:07,400 Maybe not such idiots after all. 229 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,920 That story won't hold up in court, though, will it? 230 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:11,440 Bullet wounds like that. 231 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,600 It's one shooter, just a question of who. 232 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,360 I reckon we press him on that - Sir? 233 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:18,800 I wonder if we could try something? 234 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,400 Mess with their heads a bit. Go on. 235 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,240 Could I handle both interviews, sir? 236 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,880 You've got big bollocks today, don't you, Lancing? 237 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:37,560 This is your statement, Susan, now labelled as item EL-06. 238 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,560 We're glad to have it, but it doesn't begin to explain 239 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,600 how your parents wound up dead and buried in the garden, does it? 240 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:45,560 Do you have a question for my client? 241 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:49,400 Dozens. How did you first learn your mother shot your father, Susan? 242 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,400 Where were you? No comment. 243 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,640 Was it daytime or night-time? No comment. 244 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:55,240 What about the gun? Whose was it? 245 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:56,840 Had you seen it before? No comment. 246 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:58,840 What did you do with it afterwards? No comment. 247 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:00,760 What did you do with the bodies? No comment. 248 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,600 Did you wrap them in duvets, put them under the bed? 249 00:18:05,120 --> 00:18:06,520 No comment. 250 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,960 Did you make a phone call around 2:00am? 251 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,240 Perhaps to your husband, Christopher? 252 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,920 Is... Is Chris talking? What about his solicitor? 253 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,040 No, "No comment." You said he wouldn't talk! 254 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,400 Your husband's opted not to take legal advice, Mrs Edwards. 255 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,480 Have you told him it's free? He knows it's free. 256 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,600 It's just he's chosen to be cooperative. 257 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,760 He's told my colleagues everything he can, Susan. 258 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,240 Which makes me look a bit silly, to be honest. 259 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,320 I'm meant to be the smart one, but it's Bill and Ben in the other room 260 00:18:36,360 --> 00:18:39,440 getting all the juicy stuff from your very charming husband. 261 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:43,120 Only, he wasn't there, was he, Susan, that night? 262 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:47,240 So, we're inclined to think he might be making it all up. 263 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,000 You do want us to know the truth, don't you? 264 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,480 My advice remains - You said he wouldn't talk! 265 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,680 Now he's doing one thing, I'm doing another, and we're not together. 266 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,280 I'm sorry. It's actually...it...it's quite... 267 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,480 erm, strange. Does Chris know anything - 268 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:02,120 Chris is very clever man. Don't worry. 269 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,000 Perhaps you'd like to take a - No, I would not! 270 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,920 'OK, Susan, can we go back to the beginning?' 'Yes, of course.' 271 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,400 'Thank you. Let's break it down one step at a time.' 272 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,160 Big balls. 273 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,880 Er, do you want me to leave you alone for a bit? 274 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,280 Or I can show you where to get some fresh air - 275 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,440 Oh, I'm fine, thank you. 276 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:43,720 OK. 277 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,520 You're doing really well. 278 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:50,800 Am I? 279 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,920 Yeah. Er, definitely. Just...stay strong. 280 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,400 Try not to take the bait. 281 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,080 OK. 282 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:12,560 It's October 31st, 2013. The time is 13:31. 283 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,120 Interview with Christopher Edwards. 284 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,240 Hello, Mr Edwards. How are you today? 285 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:22,320 Never better. May I ask what happened to the other two officers? 286 00:20:22,360 --> 00:20:24,880 Something more important than this, apparently. 287 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,640 Very rude, if you ask me. But, anyway... 288 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,840 And thank you for providing such a thorough account 289 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,880 of the awful events of May 1998. 290 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,440 It's a very sad story, Mr Edwards. 291 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,800 It is. Yes I'm...very happy to help. 292 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:42,840 Would you mind if we just review a few things? Not at all, Detective Constable. 293 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,280 Susan was up with her parents in Mansfield. 294 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,320 You're at home in London, in Dagenham. 295 00:20:48,360 --> 00:20:50,400 She rings you up in the middle of the night. 296 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,120 You answer. What does she say? 297 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,920 Nothing, really. She couldn't tell me anything. She was too upset. 298 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:58,280 'Upset about what?' 299 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,640 I need you, Chris. It's all wrong without you. 300 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,520 'Well, she'd had a terrible night. 301 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,880 Her mother was drunk, her father abusive. 302 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,360 The usual story, I'm sad to say.' 303 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,400 I can't wait to get back... to London. 304 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,560 'And the next time you see her, you say, is the following Tuesday? 305 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,400 After the bank holiday Monday.' 'Indeed.' 306 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,880 'At Victoria Coach Station.' 'That's right.' 307 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,600 'You say she'd not told you anything about what had happened, 308 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:46,520 but was there anything that struck you as unusual about her? Her mood?' 309 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:50,040 'Yes, she was odd...quiet. 310 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,680 She said er... 311 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,520 What was it? Something like...' 312 00:21:56,320 --> 00:22:00,000 It was the most awful weekend, Chris. Really dreadful. 313 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:01,840 I need a drink. 314 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,080 'Which was very unusual. 315 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,040 She almost never drinks. 316 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,600 I remember she asked for a port and brandy.' 317 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,640 Port and brandy? 318 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:18,440 Er, yes. Port and brandy. For the nerves. 319 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,800 Shot of brandy, shot and a half of port. 320 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:21,960 Right. 321 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:27,080 OK. Port and brandy. And what did you have to drink? 322 00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:30,920 Erm...well, I didn't want a drink. 323 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,600 I had a cup of tea. Earl Grey. 324 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,960 So, you go up to the house the next weekend... 325 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,160 week after Susan first went up, 326 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,400 she having said nothing that whole week, 327 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,760 about having killed her parents. About her mother killing her father. 328 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,880 About her killing her mother, then. She was provoked. 329 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,000 Provoked. So you say. So, SHE says. 330 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,040 So you both say. Very neat. 331 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,040 Look... 332 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:54,800 I'm not gonna sit here and pretend 333 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,280 I don't know it's a defence... provocation. 334 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,200 "Loss of control" you call it now, I believe. 335 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,640 Reducing murder to manslaughter. 336 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,720 You've done your homework! It's good I have. 337 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,640 You've just arrested my wife for murder, 338 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,320 whereas in truth all she's ever done is suffer. 339 00:23:10,360 --> 00:23:13,760 And I don't think anyone should go to prison for that, do you? 340 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,040 And as for that night - no, no, she couldn't have shot them both, 341 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,280 because she couldn't have done anything to hurt her father. 342 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,360 I know her. I know her better than you. 343 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,560 He had too much power over her. 344 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,480 Trouble is, it looks to us like your in-laws 345 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:36,200 were both shot from a similar angle, perhaps by the same person. 346 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,880 Well, I don't know anything about that, but Susan didn't lie to me. 347 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,600 OK. Let's get back to you, then, Mr Edwards. 348 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,440 That following Friday, you both take the coach up to Mansfield. 349 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:54,240 That is correct. The Friday, right after I finished work. 350 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,920 And she still hasn't told you? I'm getting to that. 351 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:58,880 It wasn't until we arrived at the house. 352 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,000 First, we picked up fish and chips. 353 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,520 We always have fish and chips on Fridays. 354 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,880 It's just when I'm tucking in that Susan starts to act a bit different 355 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,840 and suddenly she says something like - 356 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,480 I can't stand it any more. They haven't gone away. They're upstairs. 357 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,600 And I'm, "What are they doing upstairs? 358 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,720 Why don't they come down and say hello?" 359 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,240 Something like that. 360 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,080 And then I don't remember the exact words 361 00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:23,600 but then she says something like... Because they're dead. 362 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,640 And I'm, you know... 363 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,160 "What do you mean?" 364 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,160 It's a surreal...disbelief thing. 365 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,400 I lose all interest in my haddock and chips. 366 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,760 And I love haddock and chips. It's my favourite. 367 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:37,200 A big deal, then? 368 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,720 Well, I've not had a single bite of haddock since that day. 369 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,040 Strictly cod. Isn't there a smell? 370 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,360 What? Ah, you mean a fish smell? 371 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,880 It was warm that week. We checked. 372 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,240 Yeah, but it was night when we ate our fish and chips. 373 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,120 The point is that the bodies would've been lying there for days. 374 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,240 Forgive the unpleasant image - they're your in-laws after all - 375 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,480 but there would've been quite a stench. 376 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,000 Ah. I er... Yes, well, I know. 377 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:06,680 That's one of the er... But, no, I didn't smell it. 378 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,960 But Susan... Susan said... 379 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,160 Or, well, later I think she said 380 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,120 that there had been an awful smell. 381 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:23,160 But, no, I didn't... notice it at the time...myself. 382 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,400 Hard to explain, really. 383 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,080 Except, of course, that the house always smelt 384 00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:33,240 overwhelmingly of cigarettes because of her parents. 385 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,400 Sandra! 386 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:53,880 Sandra! 387 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,280 There you are. You're looking for me? 388 00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:00,160 Oh. Yes, sir. Sorry. Why you apologising? I hear you've found something good. 389 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,760 Just make it quick. We're in the middle of interviews. 390 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,720 I spent the morning at the branch in town. 391 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,640 In the archive room. Oh, bank archives. 392 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,360 The glamour never stops, does it? Yeah! It won't stop. Um... 393 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:11,920 But, yeah - Excuse me. 394 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,600 Er, this is a bank statement for a joint account. 395 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,480 Susan Edwards and Patricia Wycherley. 396 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,280 Right. And if you look over here... 397 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,400 that's the date the account was opened. 398 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,280 This is good, Sandra. This is very good. Come with me. 399 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,920 Come here! Fuck's sake! I'm not gonna eat ya'! 400 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,800 'First of all, Susan, I'd like to introduce you to Officer Sandra Winters.' 401 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:35,920 Hello. 402 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,280 Officer Winters is a member of our Forensic Financial Department. 403 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:40,840 Oh, my husband's an accountant! 404 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:45,440 Can you look at this bank document, please? Police Item CKA-04, Sandra. 405 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,080 Do you recognise that? 406 00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:53,440 That's a bank account statement showing the joint account you opened in your name and your mum's. 407 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,000 Can you read the date there, please? Left-hand side. 408 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,560 5th of May. 5th of May, 1998. 409 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,040 So, talk me through it. 410 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,760 You kill your mother. Your father's dead as well. 411 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,320 You dispose of the gun and then first thing Tuesday morning, 412 00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:10,280 after the bank holiday - 9:17am to be specific - 413 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,440 you transfer a bank account into you and your mother's names 414 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,080 and withdraw almost half the funds. 415 00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:16,720 In cash. In cash. 416 00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:22,680 Yes, I... I...can't remember. 417 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,960 You don't need to remember. It's all there in the document. 418 00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:30,840 Well, yes, as I say, she's been er... 419 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:35,440 Sometimes she's simply economical with the truth. 420 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,080 We all are sometimes. 421 00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:39,480 But this... This is difficult. 422 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,440 It's straight after the killings. It's obscene. It's mercenary. 423 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,160 And, to be honest with you, it's a little bit daft. 424 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,800 Well, I think she was obviously very - It's not confusion, Chris, is it? 425 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,960 Bang, bang, open a bank account. 426 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,840 Well, yes, I... 427 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,840 You said the word, I suppose. 428 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,120 Mercenary. But... 429 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,080 Is there something you're not telling us, Chris? 430 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,640 Something that could help Susan? 431 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,720 Because at the moment, this doesn't paint a very pretty picture, does it? 432 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:26,640 It's... 433 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,120 It's a very personal matter. 434 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,080 Personal? 435 00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:33,920 I'll tell you what's personal. 436 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,760 Being shot in your own house, kept under the bed for a week 437 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,360 and buried in your own backyard for 15 years. 438 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,200 I'd like it on record that I don't think it's very fair 439 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,000 what I've just said about Susan - or rather what you said. 440 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:58,520 It does her a grave disservice to call her "mercenary". 441 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,200 Why? 442 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,640 Because Susan has always had... 443 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,600 ..much bigger things to worry about than money. 444 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,920 Right. Clean sheets on yesterday, in case you're wondering. 445 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,200 Here's a towel. Toothbrush. 446 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,640 Thank you. Are you sure this is all right? 447 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,960 Yeah, of course, yeah. Yeah, it's my pleasure. 448 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,440 Is your mum OK? 449 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,640 Yeah, she's fine. 450 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,960 She's er... 451 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,320 She's not very well at the moment. 452 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:05,880 Well, I had a very good time with you tonight, Susan. 453 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,040 Me, too. 454 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,040 Have a good sleep and I'll see you in the morning. 455 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,920 Good night. Good night, Chris. 456 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,040 You OK for coffee? 457 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,880 Everything's good, Mum. Thanks. It's very nice. 458 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,480 Eggs aren't her strong suit. 459 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,080 It was so nice of her to cook for us. 460 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:48,800 Oh... 461 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,840 I'm sorry. I really should go. 462 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,440 All right. 463 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,120 Thank you. All right, then? 464 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,000 Both done? 465 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,640 Oop! Oh, silly me. 466 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,200 You going already, Susan? 467 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,880 I'm sorry. I've had a lovely time. Thank you for your hospitality. 468 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,160 And you're walking her back. 469 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,600 Lovely. Chivalry lives! 470 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,960 Separate rooms and everything. 471 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,640 Christopher, I know I embarrass you. 472 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,360 But I was right about the dating agency, wasn't I, hmm? 473 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,040 It was my idea. Might even give it a go myself. 474 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,480 It was very nice to meet you. 475 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,240 You too, Susan. 476 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,000 And hopefully, we'll be seeing each other again. 477 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:53,720 OK. 478 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,080 Look, maybe we should just say goodbye here. 479 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:57,920 Oh. 480 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,160 All right, then. Goodbye. 481 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,280 Bye. Bye. 482 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,600 You've met MY mother! 483 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,720 You're embarrassed of me! They're just old-fashioned! 484 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,680 Maybe next time! 485 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,760 Can you let me in? 486 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,000 Mum? 487 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,920 Dad, please, can you let me in? I can explain. 488 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,680 Sorry to keep you waiting, Susan. I know it's been a long day already. 489 00:34:53,720 --> 00:34:57,480 What we need now are your words on exactly what happened that night. 490 00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,800 Chris can't really tell us, because er... 491 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,880 according to you both, he wasn't there. 492 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,320 Only you were there. 493 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,920 Now, you say that your mother shot your father. 494 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,040 That's not something that happens every day, is it? 495 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,560 So the obvious question...is why? 496 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,560 No comment. Oh. 497 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,000 I thought you were feeling a bit more comfortable talking to us. 498 00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:22,200 What happened, Susan? 499 00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:25,080 Was there an argument or disagreement between them? No comment. 500 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,640 What did you feel when you saw your father there, dead on the floor? 501 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,600 Your mother having shot him. 502 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,480 I felt terrible. Terrible. 503 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,240 That's a normal reaction, Susan. 504 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,440 But what do you do - with that emotion? - No comment. 505 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,480 Do you confront your mother? No comment. 506 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,240 What's she say to you? These questions have to be answered. 507 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,400 They DON'T have to be answered. That's not true. 508 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,080 But this is a horrible event, isn't it? 509 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,480 Two people shot dead. Your own parents. This is what I mean by bait. 510 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,720 But it's not a full explanation to say you're simply "provoked". 511 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,200 People are gonna provide their own answers if you don't. 512 00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:57,640 You don't have to say anything. No comment. 513 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,200 The bank account you opened the day after the killings, Susan. 514 00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:04,720 The pensions you collected, the sale of the house, 515 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,400 all those debts you had to cover. 516 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,120 That feels like a slightly better explanation, doesn't it - 517 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,880 to someone who wasn't there - that this really was about money? 518 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,240 After all, you'd not seen your parents for over a year, 519 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,280 you say, and then suddenly you pay them a visit. 520 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,120 And then they die. But it wasn't, as I said - 521 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,720 We've just been with your husband. 522 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,400 Do you know what word he used to describe your behaviour 523 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,000 with that bank account? 524 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:26,680 Mercenary. 525 00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:29,440 And, I'm sorry, but I'm inclined to think a jury would agree. 526 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,400 He wouldn't say that. 527 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,360 It might be useful for my client - It's on tape, Susan. 528 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,720 Chris told us something else as well, Susan, 529 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,840 that I'd like to ask you about if you're comfortable with it. 530 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,040 He said that your mother told you something that night 531 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,400 that you didn't know. 532 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,000 What did your mother tell you that night? 533 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,720 She said um... 534 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,840 She said um... 535 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,040 Sorry. 536 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,520 Must have been very hard for him to tell you that. 537 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,320 Can I just... I'm sorry - It's OK, sir, I'll explain. 538 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,120 I know how hard it is. 539 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,080 But it'll be better for - I just said, I'll explain it. 540 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,320 Even while I was sleeping, I was aware of shouting, 541 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,120 some sort of row. 542 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,000 But that was nothing unusual in that household, not at all. 543 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,520 And as I told you, I had been drinking a little... 544 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,600 a little more than normal. I... I don't normally drink. 545 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,080 'I don't know what time it is. Maybe 2:00am. 546 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:41,840 And I've been woken by these bangs.' 547 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,160 'How many bangs?' 'Er... I dunno. I was asleep. 548 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,400 Two, maybe? Or just one. Definitely not three.' 549 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,400 'One or two?' 'Yes.' 550 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,040 And I know immediately that my father's dead. 551 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:55,760 I don't know how I know, I just know. 552 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,480 And my mum is standing there with a gun. 553 00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,080 There are brass casings on the floor. 554 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,960 Brass casings? Yeah, erm, spent bullets, I suppose. 555 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,760 And I can tell she's even more drunk 556 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,280 than she was when I went to bed. 557 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,960 Then I say something like, "What have you done? You've killed him!" 558 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,880 Something like that. It was a long time ago. 559 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,720 And she says - I can't give you the exact words - 560 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,240 but she says something like... I had to. 561 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:20,160 I can't take it any more, Susan! I couldn't look at him. 562 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,720 Something along those lines. And then she turns on me 563 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,000 and she's actually waving the gun at me at this point - 564 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:29,320 God knows why you care, after everything you've been through, 565 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,320 grubby little man. 566 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,360 Horrible, horrible man. 567 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,640 What a disgusting piece of work he was. 568 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:44,040 And then she throws the gun on the bed somewhere about here, so I pick it up. 569 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,640 He treated me as though he was disgusted with me. 570 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,560 Er, sorry, Susan. Yes? 571 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,480 Why'd you pick up the gun? 572 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,720 Er, it's just, well, she'd been waving it at me 573 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,120 and she was drunk and I suppose I was afraid 574 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,040 that she was gonna pick it up again. 575 00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,400 Erm, so anyway, and then she starts saying that thing. 576 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:01,840 I hated him. 577 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,440 For years, I hated him. 578 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,440 And I hate you too. 579 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,480 Cos when I look at you, I know I failed. 580 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,680 I failed you, Susan, and I know that. 581 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,680 I know what he did to you. 582 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,960 I knew it and I just let it happen. 583 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,440 How do you think I feel about that? 584 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,440 You knew, Mum? You knew? Look, of course, I fucking knew. 585 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,280 I'm your mother, aren't I?! 586 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,680 He didn't even want me after that! He couldn't do it. 587 00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:45,320 He couldn't even get it up! 588 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,480 I've spent 15 years trying to forget what she said 589 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,960 so I can't tell you exactly, but it was something like that. 590 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,640 Oh, I'm sorry. 591 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,560 I am so sorry, Susan. 592 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,360 I'm not a monster. 593 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,520 I did my best. 594 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,160 We had some good times together, didn't we? 595 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,120 Even though you were a difficult child. 596 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,360 All I could think of was, "I want to call my husband." 597 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,320 I even said, "We should call Christopher. He'd know what to do." 598 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,400 Give up, Susan. 599 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,320 You think he's different but he's not. 600 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:15,880 He's not gonna help you. 601 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,960 He's the same as all the others. He's just using you for the sex. 602 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,040 No, Mum! And then I keep crying and she keeps saying these things. 603 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,880 He doesn't love you! Just accept it before you get hurt. 604 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,080 Nobody loves you! Stop! Please stop! 605 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,760 God knows I tried but it's impossible. 606 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,320 You're impossible to love! Stop it, Mum! Stop it! 607 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:36,800 With your miserable little life, it would be better for all of us if you'd never been born! 608 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,840 I just want to confirm the implications of what you're saying. 609 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,560 Are you telling us that your father abused you as a child? 610 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,040 Yes. Sexually? 611 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:54,360 Yes. 612 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,440 And that night you discovered that your mother had known all along? 613 00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,400 Yes. And you'd never told her? 614 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,160 I was always too afraid of what my father might do. 615 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,040 I spent my whole life just trying to wish it away. 616 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,920 Thinking of all those years after school when she was at work and he... 617 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:13,760 And Chris, your husband. 618 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,400 Are you sure he wasn't involved in the killings? 619 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,840 I only ask because the bullet holes on your parents' chests 620 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,360 were strikingly similar. 621 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,480 And that bank account, that looks like a plan. 622 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:29,360 With all this new information today, some of which is quite important, 623 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,200 as my colleague is pointing out, 624 00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:35,080 we will be applying for extra custody time so we can continue. 625 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:39,040 So, we're just trying to get everything as clear as possible before we progress. 626 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,440 Er, I think she's been pretty clear already, don't you? 627 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,680 Are you sure Chris wasn't involved? 628 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,400 He helped you, didn't he? 629 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,880 He decided to protect you. 630 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:11,880 Susan? 631 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,400 Course, he did. He always protects me. 632 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,720 Did he bury the bodies for you? 633 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,520 Yes, he buried the bodies. 634 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,200 He's very practical like that. 635 00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:28,760 He has to be, cos I'm not, you see. So, he has to be. 636 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,520 Ah, Susan, if you wanted a break - We couldn't tell the police. 637 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,360 He understood that so he took control. 638 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,200 And so...this was his idea, then... 639 00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:40,240 to bury the bodies? 640 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,160 Yes, it was his idea. 641 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:44,680 He did that for me. 642 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:52,600 He's the only person in the world that's ever made me feel safe. 643 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,440 We'll get it sorted. 644 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,240 He's not allowed to keep you out of your own house. 645 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,200 Has he always been like that? 646 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,680 It's OK. You don't have to tell me. 647 00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:38,160 No, I... 648 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,240 I do want to tell you. 649 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,880 What is it? 650 00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:49,480 It's just I've... 651 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,760 I've never told anyone else. 652 00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,680 Well, whatever it is... 653 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,760 ..it'll be between us. 654 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,680 Just you...and me. 655 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,320 'Susan Edwards had been at her parents' house 656 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,400 when she was woken by a loud bang.' 657 00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:44,760 'She'd gone into her parents' bedroom.' 658 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,280 'Her mother had shot her father.' 659 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,200 'Susan Edwards claimed an argument then took place, 660 00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:54,920 during which her mother told her she knew her father had abused her as a child.' 661 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:59,160 'Susan Edwards admits manslaughter.' 'Manslaughter.''Manslaughter.' 662 00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,640 'She says, killing her mother...' '..she was provoked..''Provoked.' 663 00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,840 'Provoked.' '..into shooting her.' 664 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,320 'The Edwards claim they returned to the house a week later 665 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,480 and had sat down to eat fish and chips 666 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,240 and watch the Eurovision Song Contest on television 667 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,240 when Susan Edwards suddenly blurted out, "They're upstairs." 668 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,240 Christopher Edwards said he went upstairs 669 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,400 to find the Wycherleys dead, underneath the bed. 670 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,120 '..before then dragging the two dead bodies down the stairs 671 00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,000 and burying them here in the garden.' 672 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,480 'But prosecutors say it was all a lie. 673 00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:35,440 They claim the Edwards jointly planned to kill the Wycherleys.' 674 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,400 'Over the years, the Edwards emptied the elderly couple's bank accounts.' 675 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:44,400 'Both she and Christopher Edwards admit burying the bodies and theft. 676 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,840 But both of them deny murder.' 677 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,880 AccessibleCustomerService@sky.uk